in politics and democracies, sometimes you win elections, and sometimes you lose elections. i worked very hard, but i lost and president obama asked me to be secretary of state. said yes. why? because we both love our country. >> this interview will air on sunday. the fact that they did this joint interview, surprising to you? did you read anything into it? >> they have certainly come a long way from unity. standing there with clenched smiles. but what you saw there, they both have gone past it, principles on both sides, they like each other, trust each other. not best friends, but i think the president wanted to do something nice for her, the most traveled secretary of state, done a lot for him this is his way of giving her a big nod. >> in addition, do you think the president thinks he owes the clinton politically? >> no doubt he owes them for certain things. for him coming along during the first administration, his work during the re-election campaign. they can take credit for helping him along. whether he owes them remains to be seen. he said he will remain neutral of jo